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		<title>By: Brain</title>
		<link>http://www.toeingtherubber.com/2009/01/it-must-not-mean-what-he-thinks-it-means/comment-page-1/#comment-2333</link>
		<dc:creator>Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just passing through, haven&#039;t checked out Cyn&#039;s blog in a while.

I&#039;m going to be in the minority here, but wasn&#039;t Chipper&#039;s Hooter affair thing from 1998?  I know it doesn&#039;t make what he did right, or classy, or anything close to it, but at what point does the door close?  I&#039;m not saying everything should be tidied up and forgotten, by any means.  At what point can a douchebag at least be a reformed douchebag?  

He owned up to it, went through some well-deserved (but probably not enough) public hell, then married the Hooter&#039;s girl (I think).

And as far as an Atlanta Brave taking a shot at a Mets team... it&#039;s not quite the NYY / Boston rivalry, but the New York Mets are absolutely HATED down here.  Not many New Englanders would get bent out of shape if a Red Sox took a few shots at the Yankees, no matter who took the shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just passing through, haven&#8217;t checked out Cyn&#8217;s blog in a while.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to be in the minority here, but wasn&#8217;t Chipper&#8217;s Hooter affair thing from 1998?  I know it doesn&#8217;t make what he did right, or classy, or anything close to it, but at what point does the door close?  I&#8217;m not saying everything should be tidied up and forgotten, by any means.  At what point can a douchebag at least be a reformed douchebag?  </p>
<p>He owned up to it, went through some well-deserved (but probably not enough) public hell, then married the Hooter&#8217;s girl (I think).</p>
<p>And as far as an Atlanta Brave taking a shot at a Mets team&#8230; it&#8217;s not quite the NYY / Boston rivalry, but the New York Mets are absolutely HATED down here.  Not many New Englanders would get bent out of shape if a Red Sox took a few shots at the Yankees, no matter who took the shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.toeingtherubber.com/2009/01/it-must-not-mean-what-he-thinks-it-means/comment-page-1/#comment-2299</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember having a conversation in college with a woman who said she and her pal were in Daisy Buchanan&#039;s years ago, and they saw Carlton Fisk tomcatting around. Now, obviously, I have no idea whether this is true or not-but it was one of those &quot;oh, yeah, Carlton Fisk is not just your boyhood hero, he&#039;s a GUY, too,&quot; moments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember having a conversation in college with a woman who said she and her pal were in Daisy Buchanan&#8217;s years ago, and they saw Carlton Fisk tomcatting around. Now, obviously, I have no idea whether this is true or not-but it was one of those &#8220;oh, yeah, Carlton Fisk is not just your boyhood hero, he&#8217;s a GUY, too,&#8221; moments.</p>
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		<title>By: Emmie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 05:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things I try to keep in mind when reading these things is how easy it is to take something, ANYTHING, out of context.  The media does play to the audience...or what they feel the audience wants to see, read or hear. Tru&#039;s example illustrates that well, I think. Did the public think it was wrong to show married adults in the same bed and so TV/Hollywood went along with it...or did the public grab onto what they were shown as being acceptable?  

With that being said...I don&#039;t believe that all of what is said is a lie. Sure you can choose to ignore a rumor or two, but anyone making as much as these guys could sue and make a BIG statement if they felt they had been wronged completely. Sometimes, personally, it just all seems like too much backpedaling and not enough arguing back, and then I just say &quot;ugh&quot;.  Very subjective, possibly hypocritical, I know...I root for laundry, so to speak, but sometimes a person irritates me and I just cannot be a fan. Just like sometimes a person tickles my fancy and I cannot hear a word against them. ;-)

So, let&#039;s take all of that out of here. Tru&#039;s point is a very good one. Let&#039;s pretend for a moment we have no opinions about Chipper jones and his morals or personal life, and just look at him as a player on a tam. When the chips are down, where is Chipper?  Helping to lift his team up and taking responsibility, or pushing them down and using them as a step up onto his own personal soapbox? I don&#039;t care if he appears to be the most virtuous man on the planet. Taking shots at his teammates is not cool, IMHO. I might find it easier to take if he was doing it with more to back up his own views from any point, but right now he sounds like a petulant child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things I try to keep in mind when reading these things is how easy it is to take something, ANYTHING, out of context.  The media does play to the audience&#8230;or what they feel the audience wants to see, read or hear. Tru&#8217;s example illustrates that well, I think. Did the public think it was wrong to show married adults in the same bed and so TV/Hollywood went along with it&#8230;or did the public grab onto what they were shown as being acceptable?  </p>
<p>With that being said&#8230;I don&#8217;t believe that all of what is said is a lie. Sure you can choose to ignore a rumor or two, but anyone making as much as these guys could sue and make a BIG statement if they felt they had been wronged completely. Sometimes, personally, it just all seems like too much backpedaling and not enough arguing back, and then I just say &#8220;ugh&#8221;.  Very subjective, possibly hypocritical, I know&#8230;I root for laundry, so to speak, but sometimes a person irritates me and I just cannot be a fan. Just like sometimes a person tickles my fancy and I cannot hear a word against them. ;-)</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s take all of that out of here. Tru&#8217;s point is a very good one. Let&#8217;s pretend for a moment we have no opinions about Chipper jones and his morals or personal life, and just look at him as a player on a tam. When the chips are down, where is Chipper?  Helping to lift his team up and taking responsibility, or pushing them down and using them as a step up onto his own personal soapbox? I don&#8217;t care if he appears to be the most virtuous man on the planet. Taking shots at his teammates is not cool, IMHO. I might find it easier to take if he was doing it with more to back up his own views from any point, but right now he sounds like a petulant child.</p>
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		<title>By: Tex19</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tex19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chipper was an idiot for opening his mouth dissing others when he was classless himself. I agree Cyn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chipper was an idiot for opening his mouth dissing others when he was classless himself. I agree Cyn</p>
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		<title>By: Tru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All humor aside, the real thrust here is not who are heroes are, or should be.  The notion that Chipper takes shots, when his own house appears in disarray seems to be the issue.

For that, he&#039;s not above it all, and finds himself the subject of a certain amount of hypocrisy.

There was a time when we knew nothing of the goings on away from the glare of what the lights are shining on, whether in sports, politics, or whatever.  I mean for goodness sakes, The Nelsons and Ricardos had me wondering if my parents were violating laws because they didn&#039;t have twin beds...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All humor aside, the real thrust here is not who are heroes are, or should be.  The notion that Chipper takes shots, when his own house appears in disarray seems to be the issue.</p>
<p>For that, he&#8217;s not above it all, and finds himself the subject of a certain amount of hypocrisy.</p>
<p>There was a time when we knew nothing of the goings on away from the glare of what the lights are shining on, whether in sports, politics, or whatever.  I mean for goodness sakes, The Nelsons and Ricardos had me wondering if my parents were violating laws because they didn&#8217;t have twin beds&#8230;</p>
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